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sebastian toombs
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« on: May 20, 2009, 05:47:53 PM »

ive just found that Toronto Image Works will allow people to use their Imacon scanner at a very low hourly rate.  i understand they will give you a little lesson, then then let you go wild.   a friend tried it, and got about 10 400mb scans in less than two hours.   has anyone out there used an Imacon scanner before, and if so, is it fairly simple to get good "raw" results quickly?
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2009, 12:16:35 PM »

Yes. You stick the film into a magnetic holder that then goes into a sort of tray/door in the scanner and away you go. I did 2 practice 6x6 scans in less than 30 minutes with the help of an assistant as part of my "training" about 2 years ago. I intended to go back but then bought a Nikon SCS9000. The Imacon is a better scanner, but the Nikon is at my house. The holders are very cool and hold the film very well. If someone could build a holder like that for the Nikon SCS series, that would be a major improvement.
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 07:52:55 PM »

i got my tax return the other day and decided i better  A) buy some film or  B) scan some film.  since an ebay bid on some astia in 220 came to nought, it was time to go and give the imacon a test drive.  at $25 for an hour, even if i managed to get a just a couple decent scans it would be a better result than my 4490 provides and a better deal that sending stuff out to a pro lab.

thankfully my friend in vancouver had used the same imacon before, and he was able to give me some tips that will hopefully prove useful.  the toronto image work staff gave me a few tips on how to get a big .tif file at 3200dpi, and i did try making one of those--  a piece of 6x6 came out just shy of 300mb.

but my friend had told me that imacon scanners and hasseblad digital cameras use the same output format, called 3F  (.fff).   his opinion was that to have the scans output as 'native' imacon files was the way to get the most possible information from each piece of film.   the folks at image works kind of chortled at this suggestion when i described it...    so i just ignored them and phoned my friend and asked how to do it.  after a bit of groping and describing dialogue boxes over the phone, i finally worked it out.  

after the first .tif, all the scanned images were .fff files.   if you ask your mac for more info on them, it identifies them as adobe photoshop tiff files, and they can be opened in photoshop.   they look good except they are quite dark.  supposedly this is what a 'real' raw file looks like with no translation or interpolation by the program used to view it.   there is a chance that i can open them in lightroom and they will look brighter, etc.   otherwise i will be looking into using a DNG convertor or something.

the imacon scanner was super easy to use, and quite quick.  i managed to make 13 files in two hours, and thats with at least 20 minutes on the phone trying to sort out the whole 3F thing.  the files ranged between 320mb for a piece of 6x6 and 540mb for a piece of 6x9.  saved them right to my external.  i checked each one quickly with photoshop and they look really, really good.   a lot of detail in there, at least equivalent to the 300mb files ive bought from west coast imaging.   im really looking forward to seeing what can be done with these files, whether as .fff, .dng, .psd, or .tifs.  


heres a sample image-- i tried to get two frames of 645 scanned as a 6x9.  it is quite dim and flat, even compared to most other 'raw' scans:




but heres a crop from the frame on the left:

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 05:19:21 PM »

Yep, I'd say that's pretty sharp. Sounds like typical RAW files from digital cameras. They look like crap until you edit them with something, although I don't think the one you posted looks bad at all.

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 11:23:21 AM »

Yeah, Imacons are something else.

I hadn't heard of that file format though. Did the staff at the imaging place say why they didn't think the .fff format wasn't necessary?
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 12:10:57 PM »

yeah, the quality is quite good and the the savings are mind boggling.   thirteen .fff files averaging 450mb each for under $60 CDN, as opposed to $40 USD for a single 200mb 16-bit .tif file from a pro scan lab...    and i could easily scan another three or four images next time round.  its as easy as loading your film and clicking the mouse twice.

regarding the 3F file format:  i probably did a poor job of explaining what little i knew about it, but its also possible the staff person had no idea what it was.  or they just expect everyone wants .tif or .jpg files and therefore have an established workflow that they dont deviate from... 

ha, now my friend is thinking of flying out from vancouver just to do a few days' worth of scanning...   
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