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Author Topic: 'Nother project cam - Agfa Karat IV...  (Read 953 times)
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« on: February 16, 2010, 10:23:41 AM »

...and it t'ain't jus' any ol' Karat IV - this one's got the 50/2 Solagon!



Ok, I think I overpaid for this one, too, but I wanted a project, and never got to play much with the Solagon on the last Karat I had.  So, this one showed up on my doorstep today.  The lens was dirty, but cleaned up very nicely.  The shutter, strangely, was running well at slow speeds, but not at fast ones.  So I opened it up and got that straightened out.  Everything's groovy there now.  What's left is cleaning up the Agfa green glue grease that plagues all Agfa/Anscos of this vintage.

To wit: The helical is completely locked.  The film advance is sluggish at best.  And my guess is the rangefinder is slow, too, but can't really tell, since the helical's glued down.  Need to start pulling things and cleaning them.

So, question #1: How do I get at the helical in this camera.  I've done it before, and remember that a hair dryer was involved, but I can't recall how I did it.  I've searched my old repair threads, and don't see a description of how it actually comes apart. 

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 11:14:26 AM »


I've done it before, and remember that a hair dryer was involved, but I can't recall how I did it. 

Scott, did you use a hair dryer because a hammer was unavailable?  Cheesy  Sorry, couldn't help myself...a picture just popped into my widdow haid!
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 11:53:03 AM »

I wonder about that sometimes, Pete.

Ok, so the hair dryer loosened the helical.  Big whoop.  Have to get it out somehow.  Lacking any direction, I opened the top plate.  Pulled the rangefinder, and started in to removing linkages for it, so I could clean the cocking gear train.  Moved the advance lever inadvertantly.  With the plate under the rangefinder loosened, the gears slipped, and now the advance lever is stuck at 6-o'clock.  Hmm - seem to remember that happening before.  Now all the linkages blocking the advance need to be removed so I can (a) clean all the old grease, (b) relube with new grease, and (c) realign the gear train.  Yep - I definitely remember that now.

Buttoned the top back up.  Was able to gingerly remove the rear group from inside the camera (nice design, Agfa Tongue) and pulled the shutter.  Need to mark the helical so when I reassemble it, everything lines up correctly.  Then scrub everything with xylene and relube it.  Phew.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 12:06:17 PM »

OOOH!  I remember!



That inner ring is the movable part of the helical.  Need to mark it at it's full-in position, counting how many revolutions to get there.  Then spin it out using that little dot as a spot to turn it.  Scrub everything, reinstall on the same thread, and fix the advance.  Which, BTW, looks thusly:



There ya go.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 01:00:43 PM »

Well, scrubbed the helical with xylene and a brass brush, relubed, and finally got it in on the right thread.  Need to line everything back up and reinstall the shutter now.  Proving to be a challenge...   
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 01:26:52 PM »

Well, that's done.  Now to pop the top and get that straightened out...  :cool:
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 02:23:14 PM »

Hmm.  Got the advance lever to release, but if moved forward again, it jams again.  And it's not ratcheting.  Think it's gonna have to come apart.  Dadgummit. :mad:
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 04:35:39 PM »

That's a very cool little folder. I'm getting some popcorn to watch this one.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 10:08:01 AM »

Well, the top's open again, and I've got the advance lever moving correctly again.  The cocking rack, though, isn't engaging correctly, so it's not cocking the shutter.  Yet.  Getting there...
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2010, 10:29:51 AM »

Ok, pulled the shutter again.  The cocking rack/gear is half-cocked.  So it won't advance when pulling the lever.  Need to reset the gears.  How to do that? Huh
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2010, 10:41:56 AM »

Ok, with the cocking rack in the top unrestrained, the gears in the standard can be gently aligned manually.  Everything seems right now.  Going to reinstall the shutter and see if it works.

Here's where everything's at right now:
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 12:47:24 PM »

Well, the cocking linkage is all good, and everything's fine when the shutter's out.  Getting all the bits and pieces lined up when installing the shutter is becoming a drag, though.  Putting it down for now. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 05:05:15 PM »

No, no, NOOOO!  What'll we do until then???

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 05:26:31 PM »

Think this says it all as far as this project currently stands:
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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2010, 07:53:34 PM »

Good luck with it Scott. That looks like a well made camera. I'm currently putting the finishing touches to my replacement Super Ikonta. I'm heading off on a work trip to Indonesia on Sunday & want to make sure that it's ready to roll by then. I've already been "finished" once then realised that the 1/15 speed wasn't working properly and that I'd made a mistake with setting the focus... I've never had to deal with Agfa grease but the second element of this Ikonta was in so tight that I thought I'd never get it out. I almost torqued the skin off of my hands getting that sucker out.
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