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LarryD
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2010, 07:30:36 PM »

People hate to see the truth of their life... or the live they avoided but what it is is they insulate from the truth that they are in a better place.
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2010, 08:38:41 PM »

you could argue that since the end of the cold war there has been a kind of romanticism associated with postmodernism, or supermodernity, call it what you will...

polidori's projects in pripyat and cuba seem pretty closely linked to the 'fall' of communism...  misrach's desert cantos too.   now, with russia, india, and china becoming liberal capitalist societies (democracy is optional), there is a great deal of unease and uncertainty about the future.  if, as margaret thatcher put it, "there is no alternative" anymore, if as fukuyama argued, we are at "the end of history," if we are in the grips of liberal capitalist hegemony, then what can tomorrow possibly hold?  its hard to imagine.

artists look towards environmental disasters like in new orleans (or the gulf coast today) as possible harbingers of change.  the problem of unsustainable energy regimes (most of burtynsky's work over the past decade) is another area of unease.  the promise and pitfalls of consumerism, suburbia, automobility, etc, etc.  but i think the stuff about detroit is the ugliest and therefore most important stuff to consider: in the cradle of mass production and mass mobility, you can see the creative destruction associated with internationalized / globalized capital.  all that is solid melting into air, leaving behind a weird blend of first world abundance and borderline third world living conditions (slums).  detroit isnt like some old mill or mine town, where the resource ran out.  it was all based on decisions to maximize profits by mechanizing, outsourcing, and relocating production.  i know there is also a complex racial dimension to the story there, but i think it is ultimately secondary...
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2010, 06:13:57 AM »

Nice writing.

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there is a great deal of unease and uncertainty about the future.

I'll infer from your writing that you would agree that the fall of communism created a vacuum in the international world of oppositional forces and their resultant motivational energy. Without someone or something to be against, what is left to work for? We have in a sense created terrorism ourselves as an oppositional force so that we can have something against which to work and thus something which allows us to define ourselves as against. We are not them, therefore we are all the things that are not them.

Communism functioned like that for years. After communism failed (or rather, after they changed its name to Russian democracy) the Western world had to come up with something else. Globalism is one, but globalism is too amorphous and complicated to be "against". There are no perceptible armies, just invisible hedge funds, investment strategies, CEO's in glass skyscrapers and other ephemeral things. Besides, most Americans at least fantasize about being part of that whole system and sleeping on the piles of money that result.

But terrorism fits in nicely. We can make it anything we want it to be, so that it is perfect for matching the magnitude of our anxiety about the future. The more worried one is about what is going to happen to the world, the more violent and comprehensive the international terrorist conspiracy will be in our fertile imaginations.

The reality is just as you say it - the real "terrorism" is the corporate reaction to the dwindling production/consumption cycle at the end of the post-industrial revolution that was "all based on decisions to maximize profits" at the expense of economic viability in the areas where the industrial revolution began. The result is that during the transitional period from an economy that makes things to an economy that manages things, the government will have to step in periodically to make sure that corporate economic development happens to the benefit of its nation's citizens, rather than at their expense.

Detroit is definitely a solid example of the latter. We are done being an industrial country. We made billions making things, then we made billions buying things, then we made billions investing in all the debt that resulted from buying things, and now we are tapped out. And corporate America is no-one's friend when all the money is gone.

Wait, what were we talking about? Oh right, photos. It occurs to me that it is precisely the corporate aspect of these photos of Detroit that might be at least a philosophical problem with their aesthetics. They are technically well-done, colors are beautiful, textures and surfaces are perhaps even opulent in their decay, but as such, they may merely recapitulate the philosophical treatment of scenes that has more in common with the glossy photos of a corporate annual report.

It also occurs to me that a model of the sort of involvement in subject that KirkT seeks in these photos my best be represented by the work of Lewis Hine, who did all the photos of child labor during the early part of the twentieth century. Interestingly, he gained access to these factories by subterfuge, telling plant managers that he was photographing the positive aspects of industrialization, not the deplorable conditions of the children's work environments. The managers typically agreed to let him photograph at will, even trotting out all the kids for a group photo. But the camera did.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2010, 08:14:19 AM »

Without getting to deep into it,  I think there is a difference between the Detroit Ruins subject matter and the homeless.   I agree that photography of the homeless can be a trite and easy subject and has been way over done by way to many photographers.   However,  I think the Detroit Ruins subject matter is a little different in that it's not well known to most people.   I would venture to say most people in the US and especially outside the US have little knowledge of how far this once great city has fallen.   
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