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Julio1fer
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« on: August 04, 2005, 06:27:16 PM »

Let me put a hard helmet on and offer this one, it is not half as good as CE previous post...but it will do as an exercise, I hope.



Technical: Taron Auto-EL Tosicor lens, Fuji 200 negative color film, 1/60 in f 11 (very foggy day). Scanned from dusty film and unsharp masked.

I am interested in opinions about composition...
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2005, 05:38:09 AM »

The saturated colors are very nice.  I'm not sure of your intent in relating the foreground and background.  The soft-focus light background occupies about half the space of the image and creates a kind of mirror image shape in combination with the foreground.  The line of the wall leads the eye nicely toward the color mass on the left, but I am left wondering where to go from there.  Perhaps less of an emphasis on vertical symmetry would result in a stronger picture.  There is some ambiguity in the messages on the wall; some seem to be of a commercial nature, while other parts seem more like graffiti or children't art.  It is always a challenge to integrate writing or signs in a composition without having them become overly dominant in the scene.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2005, 05:45:41 AM »

Well, in looking more closely I see that the writing on the wall says that the mural was done for the Uruguay yacht club.  So, there is a foreground/background relationship, but of a symbolic or intellectual nature, rather than a graphic relationship.  I'd like to see your own ideas on the composition.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2005, 06:04:18 AM »

Hey, I think I know what those words are!   They are Google Keywords!

I like this shot and the way the top half mirrors the shape of the bottom half in a kind of Escheresque way.  The colours are appealing, too.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2005, 07:36:30 AM »

Yes, one can't forget Escher, tho I think he would have worked in more figure/ground ambiguity to bring out an optical illusion.  Here's a pre-Escher  example of mirror symmetry done about 1000 years ago in a canyon not far from my home:



Another aspect of this that needs to be looked at is the fact that the photo posted for critique includes a representation of the art work of another person.  One has to decide in such a composition whether the represented art work is the major constituent of the picture, or just a component performing a supporting role.  I would say in this case that the depicted mural has a central purpose in the composition.  I get the sense that the mural has been portrayed in a way that would not be objectionable to the artist or to the work's admirers.  So from a reportage point of view, I think the picture is a success.  Other questions to consider are whether the photographer has selected or composed his representation in a way that creates a meaningful context, and also if the photograph makes an artistic statement that somehow transcends the work that is portrayed.

It is also significant that the mural is public art or art displayed in a public place.  So, one can ask how the photograph takes cognizance of that fact. I think all of us focus our cameras at some time on such subjects.  Sometimes the results can be quite nice, but it can also be difficult to tease apart the contributions to the picture by the original artist and the photographer.  My little NYC photo essay (http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=499273) done on a recent trip through the City was all about public art.  I was happy enough with the outcome, but I'm sure there was quite a variety of opinions from viewers of the folder.
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2005, 09:58:33 AM »

Many thanks for the feedback!

Just for background, the Yacht Club organized some time ago a children's event, in order to paint a derelict wall they had. with colors and style mimicking Torres-Garcia, the great Spanish-Uruguayan painter.  The names in the right are the sponsors of said event - business firms.

I had no special intention on composition. Just moved around looking through the viewfinder trying to  get what I wanted to express - in this case, the joyful message of the wall against a bleak foggy background.

I evaluated this image as a "near miss" intuitively, but couldn't say why. From the discussion I understand now that some balancing element to the strong color mass is needed. For instance I could have had someone sitting on the low wall, say in about right center, or maybe emphasized a bit more the yachts in the background playing with exposure or focal distance.  

I appreciate very much the thoughtful comments - again thanks to posters.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2005, 03:11:23 AM »

Just a suggestion for dealing with compositional structures like this ... make a duplicate of the uncropped original and convert it to black and white, you should then be able to see the design elements more clearly as neither the colors nor the text will 'interfere' so much.  Play around with the levels so that the tones really emphasise the shapes you're after.  Play around with different crops to optimise the composition.  

I'm not suggesting you keep the bw, but it may help inform how you process the color version.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2005, 04:59:10 PM »

Good suggestion Sandeha, it is often easier to analyze cropping in BW - less distraction.
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